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	<title>Comments on: New Star Trek Into Darkness Revelations</title>
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		<title>By: Polaris01313-1</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-11081</link>
		<dc:creator>Polaris01313-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe so. We&#039;ll just have to wait and see what is revealed in the film and make our own conclusions from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so. We&#8217;ll just have to wait and see what is revealed in the film and make our own conclusions from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10955</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and perhaps...NOTHING


WILL EVER


BE THE SAME


Shill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and perhaps&#8230;NOTHING</p>
<p>WILL EVER</p>
<p>BE THE SAME</p>
<p>Shill.</p>
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		<title>By: Kang the Unbalanced</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10931</link>
		<dc:creator>Kang the Unbalanced</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Khan&#039;s little nephew &quot;Stinky&quot; Harrison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Khan&#8217;s little nephew &#8220;Stinky&#8221; Harrison.</p>
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		<title>By: AirElephant</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10913</link>
		<dc:creator>AirElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the maddening part about fiction in general, and why I often stick to non-fiction for &quot;meaty&quot; stories.  I often hear how Sci-Fi allows us to examine the Human Condition and dissect social mores, since we can place our current reservations and biases on the shoulders of fictional characters, yet our most popular tales and series refuse to face the ultimate human truth: death.  

I&#039;ve left a few comments here and there about how I&#039;d like to see Trek move to a more episodic nature, akin to that taken by Battlestar Galactica (the Ron Moore version).  Personally, I want to see Trek embrace the fact that we live a linear existence, that people change, and that events can extract a toll even from fictional characters.  (Why must it always be an anonymous redshirt that dies?) Yet I always encounter strong pushback by the traditionalists who want nothing more than another 175 episodes of serial television filled with utopian themes that is wrapped up in a tidy 45 minutes.

I think that when we are challenged, as in the ending of a movie like &quot;Seven&quot;, we&#039;re taken aback when the hero doesn&#039;t end up the way we envisioned.  Would we be able to accept a re-envisioned Trek where a central character like Spock or McCoy was killed, permanently?  I don&#039;t think so.  Yet we endlessly complain about how movies and books contain few surprises anymore or that, when an author or screenwriter dares to risk our ire with an unpleasant twist, they are somehow using a &quot;cheap gimmick&quot; to titillate their audiences.

I&#039;m not trying to be all philosophical or deep, but how in the world can we hope to examine ourselves if we refuse to face the facts that we are flawed, that we evolved as self-centered, aggressive animals, and that even our most heroic efforts can end in failure and death?  As a guy that&#039;s been watching this stuff for years and years, I have to wonder if we&#039;ll ever get out of this rut or if we&#039;ll continue to regurgitate the same stories again and again and again.

Meh.  To argue against human nature--the refusal to address death head on--is a lost cause and I know it.  None of us like to be reminded of it, and so we turn to movies to escape it.  I just think it&#039;s rather disingenuous that filmmakers would warn their audiences about the variable nature of their characters when it&#039;s their stock-in-trade to protect their franchises at all costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the maddening part about fiction in general, and why I often stick to non-fiction for &#8220;meaty&#8221; stories.  I often hear how Sci-Fi allows us to examine the Human Condition and dissect social mores, since we can place our current reservations and biases on the shoulders of fictional characters, yet our most popular tales and series refuse to face the ultimate human truth: death.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve left a few comments here and there about how I&#8217;d like to see Trek move to a more episodic nature, akin to that taken by Battlestar Galactica (the Ron Moore version).  Personally, I want to see Trek embrace the fact that we live a linear existence, that people change, and that events can extract a toll even from fictional characters.  (Why must it always be an anonymous redshirt that dies?) Yet I always encounter strong pushback by the traditionalists who want nothing more than another 175 episodes of serial television filled with utopian themes that is wrapped up in a tidy 45 minutes.</p>
<p>I think that when we are challenged, as in the ending of a movie like &#8220;Seven&#8221;, we&#8217;re taken aback when the hero doesn&#8217;t end up the way we envisioned.  Would we be able to accept a re-envisioned Trek where a central character like Spock or McCoy was killed, permanently?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Yet we endlessly complain about how movies and books contain few surprises anymore or that, when an author or screenwriter dares to risk our ire with an unpleasant twist, they are somehow using a &#8220;cheap gimmick&#8221; to titillate their audiences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be all philosophical or deep, but how in the world can we hope to examine ourselves if we refuse to face the facts that we are flawed, that we evolved as self-centered, aggressive animals, and that even our most heroic efforts can end in failure and death?  As a guy that&#8217;s been watching this stuff for years and years, I have to wonder if we&#8217;ll ever get out of this rut or if we&#8217;ll continue to regurgitate the same stories again and again and again.</p>
<p>Meh.  To argue against human nature&#8211;the refusal to address death head on&#8211;is a lost cause and I know it.  None of us like to be reminded of it, and so we turn to movies to escape it.  I just think it&#8217;s rather disingenuous that filmmakers would warn their audiences about the variable nature of their characters when it&#8217;s their stock-in-trade to protect their franchises at all costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Polaris01313-1</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10898</link>
		<dc:creator>Polaris01313-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t knock it until you have seen it. For all we know, this may be a threat unlike any other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t knock it until you have seen it. For all we know, this may be a threat unlike any other.</p>
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		<title>By: Polaris01313-1</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10895</link>
		<dc:creator>Polaris01313-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not Khan. That much is certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not Khan. That much is certain.</p>
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		<title>By: seventhbeacon</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10892</link>
		<dc:creator>seventhbeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a conceit of pre-movie hype that it almost like repetitive double-speak.  Very much like politics.  Make lots of promises on the campaign trail, and when the reality sinks in later people go &quot;meh&quot;.  This movie looks fun, I think it&#039;ll be impressively shot and a fun ride, but I&#039;m not expecting much depth out of it, as there was very little in the first one, and indeed in all of Abrams&#039; other films.  Abrams is very good at the polish and veneer of the film spectacle, but his movies lack any real meat to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a conceit of pre-movie hype that it almost like repetitive double-speak.  Very much like politics.  Make lots of promises on the campaign trail, and when the reality sinks in later people go &#8220;meh&#8221;.  This movie looks fun, I think it&#8217;ll be impressively shot and a fun ride, but I&#8217;m not expecting much depth out of it, as there was very little in the first one, and indeed in all of Abrams&#8217; other films.  Abrams is very good at the polish and veneer of the film spectacle, but his movies lack any real meat to them.</p>
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		<title>By: seventhbeacon</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10889</link>
		<dc:creator>seventhbeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s fair to say that complacency is a part of genre fiction.  Where the vast majority of plots follow to predictable outcomes and the protaganists living through them, that entire movies can actually focus on these plot elements and deconstruct them as the premise (Cabin in the Woods).  George R.R. Martin&#039;s fame is due in large part to his willingness to kill off main characters in his books.  Comic books now practice frequent rampant use of killing off a character, knowing that it won&#039;t be permanent, to the point where believability is lost in the telling.  Max Landis said it best in his hilarious youtube summary of the Death and Return of Superman.  &quot;The Death of Superman didn&#039;t kill Superman in comics, it killed DEATH.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that complacency is a part of genre fiction.  Where the vast majority of plots follow to predictable outcomes and the protaganists living through them, that entire movies can actually focus on these plot elements and deconstruct them as the premise (Cabin in the Woods).  George R.R. Martin&#8217;s fame is due in large part to his willingness to kill off main characters in his books.  Comic books now practice frequent rampant use of killing off a character, knowing that it won&#8217;t be permanent, to the point where believability is lost in the telling.  Max Landis said it best in his hilarious youtube summary of the Death and Return of Superman.  &#8220;The Death of Superman didn&#8217;t kill Superman in comics, it killed DEATH.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: seventhbeacon</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10886</link>
		<dc:creator>seventhbeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to be of service!  I do enjoy these news updates, too!   And hey, I got to learn a new word when I googled it too, soooo!  Win-win =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to be of service!  I do enjoy these news updates, too!   And hey, I got to learn a new word when I googled it too, soooo!  Win-win =)</p>
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		<title>By: TBonz</title>
		<link>http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/12/new-star-trek-into-darkness-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-10880</link>
		<dc:creator>TBonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t deleted. I see it under &quot;quintohater.&quot;</description>
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